Pls Help! Towing weight woes!! - Page 3

cm2581 · 29-12-2010, 15:28

Trailer is 935kg empty. One horse is heavier than last time on weighbridge which was 635kg!! Other horse is a bit lighterweight but still a good 550kg. 2.1 tonnes would see me legal but 2.5 would give leway for big hills. I used to tow one horse in trailer with amondeo and it was rated to tow 1.8 tonnes. It was actually great at the job and never struggled!

(RIP) PLANK · 29-12-2010, 15:31

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Originally Posted by cm2581

Trailer is 935kg empty. One horse is heavier than last time on weighbridge which was 635kg!! Other horse is a bit lighterweight but still a good 550kg. 2.1 tonnes would see me legal but 2.5 would give leway for big hills. I used to tow one horse in trailer with amondeo and it was rated to tow 1.8 tonnes. It was actually great at the job and never struggled!

rmember if the gorss weight of your trailer as indicated on the plate, is greater than the gross towing weight of your car you can't tow it, regardless of whether it's full or empty! check the Ifor williams link i posted to check on this!

Having said all that - would I tow a trailer, carrying two horses with an automatic 2.7 Tdi T2? Yes i would!

Deleted account DD · 29-12-2010, 15:34

Ive always fancied an auto. Hence one reason i have the car I now drive.

When I looked at T2s I do remember the tow limit on my manual was 2.8 tonnes. I also clearly remember everywhere I looked the auto was listed as a tonne or thereabouts less. The reason I remember this so clearly is because caravan we looking at was 1.6tonnes all up and I was gobsmacked it was so close to the limit for the auto.

The auto is limited by the auto box, its nothing to do with the stability or gross weight ( ie the 80% or otherwise match).

Seems a bit of a faux pas by nissan tbh.

(RIP) PLANK · 29-12-2010, 15:37

on the other hand, i'm finding it difficult to find any info pointing to the 1.8 tonne limit for an auto, if anyone has any please post a link!

lacroupade · 29-12-2010, 15:37

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Originally Posted by cm2581

AW HELP HELP HELP!!!

Nissan are saying 2.8 tonnes!! DVLA saying max towing weight (by law) is GVW (2580kg) - GTW (4280kg) as per stamped on the VIN plate!! Which equals 1700kg!! Garage trying to be helpful but said if Nissan say 2.8 tonnes then that's what it is!!! I then said about DVLA and he said Oh. He would need to look further into this to get clarification of the tow weight before taking anything any further! Where can I get something difinitive or someone who will tell them difinitively it is 1700kg?!!!!?

AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Nissan who exactly? Have you phoned their UK head office (Beaconsfield I think?) and asked the? Or maybe someone has an original users manual.

Is the towing weight specd in the workshop manual I wonder?

(RIP) PLANK · 29-12-2010, 15:39

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Originally Posted by lacroupade

Nissan who exactly? Have you phoned their UK head office (Beaconsfield I think?) and asked the? Or maybe someone has an original users manual.

Is the towing weight specd in the workshop manual I wonder?

I have an original usuers manual and it doesnt mention towing capacities, i've checked. And i called out local dealership who put me on hold whil ehe reffered to some other Nissan place to verify his ducmentation and 'on screen' info and he can't find reference to the difference between manual and auto.

cncfabs · 29-12-2010, 15:42

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Originally Posted by PLANK

I have an original usuers manual and it doesnt mention towing capacities, i've checked. And i called out local dealership who put me on hold whil ehe reffered to some other Nissan place to verify his ducmentation and 'on screen' info and he can't find reference to the difference between manual and auto.

FFS its all on the vin plate dont need to phone anyone!

(RIP) PLANK · 29-12-2010, 15:48

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Originally Posted by cncfabs

FFS its all on the vin plate dont need to phone anyone!

read the thread, it's more complicated than that!

lacroupade · 29-12-2010, 15:56

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Originally Posted by PLANK

I have an original usuers manual and it doesnt mention towing capacities, i've checked. And i called out local dealership who put me on hold whil ehe reffered to some other Nissan place to verify his ducmentation and 'on screen' info and he can't find reference to the difference between manual and auto.

well you never know, could be looking at another eureka moment, in which case the OP will be a happy bunny.

But surely the user manual must cover towing weights somewhere?

Deleted account DD · 29-12-2010, 15:59

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Originally Posted by cncfabs

FFS its all on the vin plate dont need to phone anyone!

it is indeed and as mentioned ealrier definitely clocks in at a tonne or more less than the manual

Have a look at the plate then read this leaflet

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...20Feb%2008.pdf

Its all there and is the definitive answer

lacroupade · 29-12-2010, 15:59

Fill this in and see what it tells us...

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 29-12-2010, 16:21

its not on plate, 1700 is being presumed from a subtraction of gvw from gtw.

plank i think i read about cars versus commercials to point cars aren't limited
at all, still say max tow is based on restart on a hill. as for many cars not
trucks their tow weights are way over recommended 85% ratios for tin tents.

ok a car on a trailer doesnt have same sail effect as 'light but long' caravan.

if its NOT on plate, how is vosa/police going to dispute providing gtw
isnt exceed, and frankly a t2 will look lot less dodgy tugging horse box than
say mondeo.

i suspect if driven carefully, on on hills used in 'manual' mode will be no
issue at all, still far more anchor in ratio terms for the stable on wheels.

after all whats worst that can happen you knacker the slush box, ok not
fun but hardly a legal issue. the inferred reduced capacities are purely
warranty based, and whats that worth on a second hand motor buyer
beware etc...

lacroupade · 29-12-2010, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Thomas-the-Terrano2

its not on plate, 1700 is being presumed from a subtraction of gvw from gtw.

but are the numbers different for the manual? Wish I was at home in Wales and I could go outside and compare!

cm2581 · 29-12-2010, 16:35

I'm at work so can't really go out AGAIN(!!!) to get the rest but here is what I do have.

B ****
C 2580
D 4280
E 1160
F 1460
J ****

dvla HAVE TOLD ME THAT D-C=LEGAL TOWING CAPACITY.

Phoned my local Nissan sales (as did the dealer I bought the car from which are two diff dealers) and they both said they didn't know and didn't have any data for the automatic. They suggested customer services who both me and the dealer phoned and we were both told (after much lengthly dealy!) that there is no diff between the auto and manual and both are 2.8 tonnes! Why the hell is it plated as above then?!!?!?!?!!!!!

Deleted account DD · 29-12-2010, 16:37

The maths (as explained on that leaflet) , using the details which will be on the plate, provide the definitive answer, certainly in lawful terms and manf test rating.

UNLESS nissan have subsequently issued some kind of bulletin and not recalled to ammend the plates

Nissan dealer will have access to the database of all recalls etc so the answer is out there

29-12-2010, 16:21	#42
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29-12-2010, 15:28	#31
cm2581 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: scotland Vehicle: Terrano Posts: 19	Trailer is 935kg empty. One horse is heavier than last time on weighbridge which was 635kg!! Other horse is a bit lighterweight but still a good 550kg. 2.1 tonnes would see me legal but 2.5 would give leway for big hills. I used to tow one horse in trailer with amondeo and it was rated to tow 1.8 tonnes. It was actually great at the job and never struggled!

29-12-2010, 15:34	#33
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	Ive always fancied an auto. Hence one reason i have the car I now drive. When I looked at T2s I do remember the tow limit on my manual was 2.8 tonnes. I also clearly remember everywhere I looked the auto was listed as a tonne or thereabouts less. The reason I remember this so clearly is because caravan we looking at was 1.6tonnes all up and I was gobsmacked it was so close to the limit for the auto. The auto is limited by the auto box, its nothing to do with the stability or gross weight ( ie the 80% or otherwise match). Seems a bit of a faux pas by nissan tbh.

29-12-2010, 15:37	#34
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	on the other hand, i'm finding it difficult to find any info pointing to the 1.8 tonne limit for an auto, if anyone has any please post a link!

29-12-2010, 15:59	#41
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	Fill this in and see what it tells us...

29-12-2010, 16:35	#44
cm2581 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: scotland Vehicle: Terrano Posts: 19	I'm at work so can't really go out AGAIN(!!!) to get the rest but here is what I do have. B ** C 2580 D 4280 E 1160 F 1460 J dvla HAVE TOLD ME THAT D-C=LEGAL** TOWING CAPACITY. Phoned my local Nissan sales (as did the dealer I bought the car from which are two diff dealers) and they both said they didn't know and didn't have any data for the automatic. They suggested customer services who both me and the dealer phoned and we were both told (after much lengthly dealy!) that there is no diff between the auto and manual and both are 2.8 tonnes! Why the hell is it plated as above then?!!?!?!?!!!!!

29-12-2010, 16:37	#45
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	The maths (as explained on that leaflet) , using the details which will be on the plate, provide the definitive answer, certainly in lawful terms and manf test rating. UNLESS nissan have subsequently issued some kind of bulletin and not recalled to ammend the plates Nissan dealer will have access to the database of all recalls etc so the answer is out there